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We can always use more blond people with swords. gaunt approves.

Welcome! :D

Commenting on Edward's permissions post at this juncture would probably be appropriate! http://kingoflobsters.dreamwidth.org/1022.html

Done!

BRB making a Shirou account.

And or having Anna wonder if she's a timeskipped Sara. ~~because she wields mecha-Saber in my weird headcanon~~

Saber does need her master/boyfriend around. lol

And it probably doesn't help that Saber is canonically able to pilot any kind of vehicle.

...I now want Anna to see what you can do in a Grungust, the mech weilding (and weilded by) The Sword that Cleaves Evil.

Please make this happen when I post Anna's Pilot Training log.

The world is in dire need of the awesomeness that is Mecha-Saber.

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Oh Japan.

Picking up from the chat mentions last night, if you need a mage to summon him:

Unlike Final Fantasy mages, Anders doesn't summon things for combat as a matter of course. There is a context within which he can summon things (or rather, Justice can), and I can think of a reason why he'd try to do it here: to reassure himself he can't do it here.

If you need someone to summon Shirou, I think I can arrange a scene wherein Anders tries to summon shades, obviously hoping he'll fail; he'll need another character or two to stand by and kill them if he succeeds, and possibly also to kill him: natural candidates might be Nathaniel, Karagen, Quote, or Martin (maybe Hawke depending - I'm not sure, as he might not want her involved, but she's been able to defeat his shades in the past). And when he tries to summon shades, of course, it doesn't work, thankfully — but he ends up summoning Shirou.

Does this sound plausible? I know nothing of Fate/Stay Night.

If he tries summoning shades without her around, Hawke will kick him in the head for idiocy later. Just sayin'.

(hey, Anders is a serious fighter, but Hawke's taken him out more than once. She wasn't being devil-may-care when she stated she wasn't worried about him summoning up shades. Been there, done that, got the heraldic shirt)

That's the argument for having her there: she's defeated his shades at least once (in Legacy) and has also defeated freaking Corypheus, she should be able to take down some shades and Justice if she needs to.

The argument against having her there is (1) not wanting her to know he's doing such a completely dumbass thing, (2) not wanting to put her in danger, since his summoning shades again is actually a fear of his in large part because of how it might harm her.

But overall, a really strong argument could be made that he'd have sufficient trepidation about this to need to talk to Hawke about it, at which point it'd become a foregone conclusion that she would need to be there. Could make it an all Dragon-Age allstar team of Nathaniel, Hawke, and maybe Karagen if Onyx is up to it; could, alternately, make it a People Who Can Deal With Possession team of Martin and Hawke.

Either way, I think the logical setting would be in the target practice cargo bay.

(Note: Shirou/Anna's mun is in Pacific time zone, he's unlikely even to see this yet, possibly to be awake yet. *g* Sorry for spamming, Saber!)

It certainly does seem plausible, from where I'm standing. It would be MUCH more likely if you used one of Shirou's personal effects, or one of Sabers, as a focus or ingredient in the summoning, but that's easy to handwave.

Is Anders the sort of person who would as King Arthur the Female to stand watch at that summoning?

Hm, honestly, he'd have to develop some significant CR with her before asking her to risk herself that way and/or believing she'd be able to handle it. When Anders summons shades to attack you, it's not pleasant. And he imagines it's even worse than it is, since whenever it happens Justice is in control, so Anders winds up waking up on the ground asking you what the hell he just did.

That's fair enough, it would just have added more comedy gold to the whole thing.

Likely candidates for the personal effects could include Rin Tousaka's ~~heart container~~ ruby locket, or Shirou's twin Dao sabers for use as athame.

If it's desired to have her in the scene, she could always come try to use the target-practice cargo bay whilst the summoning is wrapping up. The sticky note that says DANGEROUS MAGIC EXPERIMENT BEING PERFORMED WITHIN falls to the ground, or something.

Ha! Yeah, that totally and completely fits. Something similar happened to Shirou, the poor fool.

OK, so here are a couple things I need to know, if we're going forward with this. (If it gets too difficult, there's always the old standby of Shirou waking up in a pod ;) )

- The personal effects needed. Now, of course, Anders has no IC reason to possess these things. If Saber shows up, they'll be present, and perhaps could get drawn into the summoning or have magic ricochet off them or something, I will need to think about the mechanics of it, but: to merge Dragon Age mechanics (that are in turn drawn from lore rather than anything we see in the game; we never see a Harrowing, which is the ritual that purposely summons a demon) with Fate/Stay Night mechanics, I need to get a better idea of the latter. How does a summoning work, vis a vis these personal effects? (Example: Is this sort of like the old "use someone's fingernails and hair clippings in a voodoo doll" thing, using an item to associate the target with the magic? There's a similar concept in Dragon Age, in which blood samples are taken from each mage to create an artifact the Templars can use to track them.) Anything that involves blood magic, Anders won't do, hence an athame shouldn't come into play. There isn't anything much Wiccan or goddess-worship focused about Dragon Age.

- How this servant thing works. If Saber is present at the time Shirou materializes, is it possible for Shirou simply to gravitate toward her, thus obviating the need for Anders to be assumed as master?

- Is this too much trouble? Would there be a way Saber could summon Shirou on her own?

1: Saber may possess Rin's locket, which is meant to be a mana/life force battery anyway. It's unlikely that she would possess Archer's swords. In any case, it's the sympathetic connection to the object that's needed: if Anders was a heroic spirit, owning his badass raven-feather cloak would be a way to summon him, specifically.

2: Servants instinctively recognize their summoners on sight, but if Saber is there he will have ABSOLUTELY no objection to your pointing at her and saying "She did it." Partially because -

3: Saber is not a Magus in her own right as far as I can tell, so someone else would need to summon Shirou on her behalf.

as just summed up in chat of people at work and/or riding trains:

so as I understand it, the tentative plan is: Anders summons Shirou, Shirou is like "Now I am your servant :D", Anders strenuously refuses to have a servant and tries to get rid of him, Anders finally pawns him off on Jiji

Well it's more like "I am your servant (:|)", but that's otherwise correct, yes.

I would like to add my two cents that I think it would be hilarious if Shirou became Saber's servant, sort of like how Assassin was Caster's servant in the Fifth Holy Grail War.

I would find it hilarious. So would Shirou.

If anything it would be cute to see Saber fumbling over herself because Shirou would be obligated to do whatever she says.

I honestly like this idea a lot more than him literally being Jiji's Servant.

Not to say that he isn't going to figuratively being his Servant. Has a weakness to cats, oh King of Lions.

Yay! And Shirou certainly can't ignore anyone in need, even if they are a cat.

I'll just leave this here for you.

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one quick GIS later...

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Why must you mock me dueling romanizations.

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and summing it up

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